Vibes Drop In – Interview with Wax (FULL TRANSCRIPT)
VIBES: Vibes Drop In. Wax, how are you doing, brother?
WAX: I’m doing good, Vibes. How are you?
VIBES: I’m doing good, man. Hey, I was talking to your manager earlier — sounds like you’ve got a little bit of California, Canada, and then ending up in Colorado coming up in your life. Supporting the new album. That came out in May, right?
WAX: Yeah, the album came out May 30th — Lifetime Achievement Award. It’s been out a while now. I’ve toured Canada, the Midwest. We already did the East Coast and Southern California. Now we’re doing Northern California, Seattle, Portland… all kinds of different places.
VIBES: Sick. Let’s start there. I’m going to rewind — reverse engineer this whole conversation and get back to the dude you were before you got onto the scene.
For me, Lifetime Achievement clearly has some meaning baked into that title, but I want the human side of it. After all these years, all this change — the world, your life, your career — what was the process for this record? What headspace were you in?
WAX: The process on this album was—
(to someone off-camera) Hey, I’m doing this interview right now… could you—
No, it’s okay. It’s okay.
VIBES: That’s some real shit right there.
WAX: Yeah. Speaking of real life — I’m in the process of packing up stuff to go to Canada, figuring out what I need. I have to ship stuff to every city I’m going to because of all the flights, then ship stuff to the Midwest for the Midwest tour.
A lot of that stuff I have to handle myself. I have a manager and tour manager, but they can’t come to my house and get stuff out of my garage and send it.
VIBES: They can’t do that.
Is that your art behind you? What’s that?
WAX: That’s me. A depiction of me and my friend who passed — EOM. He produced a lot of music with me. I didn’t make it, though.
VIBES: It’s a great backdrop.
And you’re right — eventually it all comes back to you. There’s this therapist, Stutz — Jonah Hill did a doc on him during COVID — who says people will never escape these three things: constant work, pain, adversity. Not in a negative way, but as daily realities we need a playbook for.
What’s in that room right now — tour prep — eventually it all flows back to you.
WAX: Constant work, pain, and adversity?
VIBES: Yeah.
WAX: Dude, I’ve got to watch that.
VIBES: You should. They recorded their sessions through COVID. Stutz realized he’d been reactive instead of proactive. He started coaching people on how to build a playbook for constant work — saying it’s built into the human condition.
Same with adversity — personal, business, relationships, every small thing.
Same with pain — physical, emotional, political, all of it.
If you can handle those three things every day, he says it unlocks everything.
WAX: Life being constant work really hits home for me. With success, you just get more stuff added to your plate.
Me and my brother joke that when you die, they should write your unfinished to-do list on your tombstone.
All those things — pain, adversity, constant work — you need that most of the time because the opposite of those things — joy, relaxation, comfort — you only get in small amounts. Even an hour of those a day makes the rest worth it.
VIBES: Exactly.
I’m a lingering fan — like most people, I found you in the mid-2000s on YouTube. As I went back through your catalog prepping for this, I realized I knew a lot more songs than I thought.
But what sticks out is how you move between deep introspective stuff and total stream-of-consciousness, “we’re fucking around with a camera” energy. There’s a playfulness to it, but you’re not afraid to get serious.
WAX: Yeah. If you write from a place of truth, you’re going to cover all the bases of life — pain, joy, the ability to laugh at it all.
A silly song about being an alcoholic and a serious one can come from the same place. That’s been my experience.
Stand-up comedy and a political speech are the same thing — two ways of approaching the same reality.
VIBES: Equal standing. Humor is sometimes the shortcut — the toll pass through pain.
I’ve used humor in the worst moments for friends, and it was exactly what was needed.
So your process: are you writing in the mood you’re in? Or more like a script?
WAX: It depends on the song.
Take a rap song with a chorus — that hook probably came to me walking down the street. It’s almost like God or the universe hands it to you.
Then the verses take work — if it’s a story song, it can feel like a college paper.
Every song is different.
For this new album, a lot came from me sitting on the same bench in Sunset Cliffs in San Diego. I’ve had that spot for 20 years. I bring the guitar, write whatever comes, then refine it each time I go back.
That’s why it’s a mellow album.
VIBES: I saw you there on camera earlier.
As a father, I think of life in chapters. And when you have kids, everything changes — how you see the world, how you hear songs, how you take in movies.
Did fatherhood make its way into this record?
WAX: Somewhat — but most of the album was written before my kid was born. She’s not even two yet.
But performing the songs now — totally different. Some old lines sound irresponsible. Some hit harder.
Once you have that fatherhood chip in your Trivial Pursuit circle, you’re a different human.
VIBES: Funny — that’s the second time Trivial Pursuit came up today. I used it with a bar owner in her twenties and she had no idea what I was talking about.
Anyway — I think I was listening for fatherhood in those lyrics just because I knew your life had changed.
John Ondrasik from Five for Fighting said something similar — he sings “100 Years” totally differently at 60 than he did at 23.
Do you feel that?
WAX: Yeah. I’ve been doing this 30 years — 20 professionally. No “real job” for 16 years.
The words hit different now. In my twenties I wrote songs like “Out of My Mind,” about wanting to get fucked up instead of dealing with pain.
Now I still perform it, but when I’m doing old songs and long-time fans are there, it’s for them. I tap into their nostalgia. I disconnect from the literal meaning and connect to the emotion.
People 15 years younger say they liked my songs in middle school but now they understand them because they’re the age I was when I wrote them.
Recorded art sticks around.
VIBES: Let’s talk “New Crack.” From the outside, it looks like a huge moment — band to solo, early YouTube virality.
Was it as big for you as it looked?
WAX: Yeah, definitely.
YouTube was new then. There weren’t many people doing it. That video introduced me to a lot of people and also showed me that you could use the internet to circulate yourself.
Before that, I was in a band doing it the old way — touring, one fan at a time, selling CDs, mailing list postcards to people’s homes.
VIBES: I watched it again preparing for this. You made the kind of content people now aspire to make — raw, organic, handheld, flow-heavy.
That’s the vibe that works again.
And the way you rap — it feels like a natural conversation. You never sound like you’re trying too hard, even when the lyrics are rebellious. Easy on the ears.
WAX: Thanks, man. I take that as a real compliment.
VIBES: Then you blow up a bit. Def Jam enters the picture. You “make it,” in the traditional sense. What was that window like?
WAX: Interesting.
I got the thing everyone talks about — the record deal. And I got good money. But really, when you get signed, the work is only beginning.
For every artist you’ve heard of who got signed, there are a hundred who also got signed that you’ve never heard of.
It’s like sports — a handful of NBA players become stars. But there are way more pros in Europe you never hear about.
I had two managers then who hated each other. I fired one — illegally — and it turned into a mess of people fighting over money that didn’t exist yet.
I spent most of my money on lawyers. And I never got the “big song” they wanted from me.
The crazy part is: the day after they dropped me, I released a video that went viral. Then I had a hit in Europe.
VIBES: “Rosana.”
WAX: Yep. That’s the one.
It became the #1 song in a couple European countries. High-level touring — penthouse suites, festivals.
But after all that, I settled into being a low-key working artist. Not a huge audience, but enough.
VIBES: And again — constant work. No matter the level, the cup fills.
At the height of the pressure, did you ever feel like, “This is the new normal, this will never go away”?
WAX: Honestly, yeah.
All of this happened under the cloud of alcoholism. I drank a 12-pack a day during the Def Jam era.
We’d go to the liquor store in the morning. I thought it was part of the process.
They wanted a hit. I’d go into sessions with big-time producers. At first it was fun. Then the rejections came — “this isn’t it.”
As an artist, your whole job is your taste. If your taste is questioned over and over, you freeze. You get paralyzed.
I’d do a week of sessions and come out with nothing. Sitting in hotel rooms crying on the phone to my brother. Depressed as hell.
That’s why it didn’t work out.
VIBES: But clearly, something shifted.
Are you straight and sober now?
WAX: Yeah. Seven years. Haven’t drank in seven years.
The emotions come back in that first couple years. For me it overlapped with COVID, so it was rough. But I never went back to drinking.
Now I couldn’t imagine trying to do all this while drinking.
VIBES: And you get tethers — kids, family.
Did you get good songs out of that pain in the long run?
WAX: Yeah. A lot of Lifetime Achievement Award is about that — especially “Shit I Used to Do.”
VIBES: And that bench — that’s therapy, right?
WAX: Totally.
A lot of musicians need the stage. I don’t. I love performing, but the reason I do this is that moment on the bench.
That’s the joy. Just me, the guitar, the writing.
Being alone with the craft. That’s meditative. That’s therapeutic.
I think that’s why people relate — I’m just saying what I’m going through, and we all go through variations of the same shit.
VIBES: And once you understand that the bench, the Catalyst stage, a Saturday morning with your kid — all have equal standing — that’s when life changes.
WAX: One hundred percent.
VIBES: Alright — for our readers: what can they expect from a Wax show at the Catalyst?
WAX: I love performing. And I make the show about the people who are there.
I involve the crowd, I ask names, I do some stand-up-style crowd work.
DJ Hoppa will be there — he’s world-class. We do classic hip-hop, two turntables and a mic. Then I bring out the guitar for a more intimate part of the set.
I mix the energy. I play the old classics. I take requests. It’s loose, on-the-fly, fun.
VIBES: Have you played the Catalyst before?
WAX: Yeah. Both the big room and the small. This time it’s the small room — the Atrium.
VIBES: Born and raised here — the Atrium is my favorite room. Intimate, rad, feels alive.
WAX: Same.
VIBES: Alright, man. We’ll throw your handles in, run this on our TV network, blast it out. This was amazing. I blew through my next interview.
WAX: This was great. Come through the show, say what’s up. And tell your friends, family — even your enemies. Let’s get some people in there.
VIBES: Thanks, brother.
WAX: Thanks so much. That was awesome.